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[KS] Can an employer bring new allegations at an unemployment appeal beyond the termination letter?

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Yes, unfortunately. Kansas unemployment hearings are not limited to the employer’s original termination reason. The hearing is de novo, meaning the appeals referee looks at all relevant facts, regardless of what the employer wrote or said at the time of discharge. (KS Admin Regs 48-1-4) Kansas Department of Labor guidance confirms that at the appeal hearing:

  • Both parties may present any testimony and evidence relevant to the issue.
  • Cross examination is allowed.
  • The referee decides based on facts and law, not the employer’s HR paperwork.

This means the employer can introduce:

  1. New allegations
  2. Additional incidents
  3. Policy violations not mentioned in the termination letter
  4. Performance issues not previously discussed

As long as they relate to whether the discharge was for misconduct, the referee can consider them. (KS Admin Regs 49-21-3)

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Kansas unemployment law, can former employer bring other issues up during the appeal trial that were not discussed in the termination letter?

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I would like them to go over the appeal packet and give me suggestions for that day.

Lori

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Hey there! I'm Lori, an attorney with many years of experience, and I'm here to help you. I understand you're dealing with a Kansas unemployment appeal and are concerned about your former employer bringing up new issues during the trial. Is the matter still pending on appeal?

I have the hearing next Thursday! Is this statement true? "Kansas unemployment law requires the employer to stand on the reason given at termination."

Lori

Lori

Great, it's good to know when your hearing is scheduled.

NOT true. Kansas unemployment law does NOT require an employer to stick only to the reason listed in the termination letter. In an unemployment appeal hearing, the employer can raise additional misconduct allegations, even if they were never mentioned in the termination letter. The Appeals Referee considers all evidence relevant to whether the claimant was discharged for “misconduct,” not just the employer’s stated reason at the time of firing.

Okay, what about past issues from over a year ago?

Lori

Lori

In an unemployment appeal hearing, past issues, even those from over a year ago, can potentially be brought up by your employer. However, their relevance might be limited unless they directly relate to the reason for your termination or demonstrate a pattern of behavior. The focus is usually on recent conduct that led to your dismissal by the court.

She gave me a termination letter and I proved her wrong and now she is saying other reasons! Can this happen?

Lori

Lori

Yes, unfortunately. Kansas unemployment hearings are not limited to the employer’s original termination reason. The hearing is de novo, meaning the appeals referee looks at all relevant facts, regardless of what the employer wrote or said at the time of discharge. (KS Admin Regs 48-1-4) Kansas Department of Labor guidance confirms that at the appeal hearing:

  • Both parties may present any testimony and evidence relevant to the issue.
  • Cross examination is allowed.
  • The referee decides based on facts and law, not the employer’s HR paperwork.

This means the employer can introduce:

  1. New allegations
  2. Additional incidents
  3. Policy violations not mentioned in the termination letter
  4. Performance issues not previously discussed

As long as they relate to whether the discharge was for misconduct, the referee can consider them. (KS Admin Regs 49-21-3)

The report she is using, she redacted some important information that she sent to Kansas Unemployment and to the board of directors, but now is claiming there were two "originals" and she sent the "wrong one" by mistake! There were not two, and you can tell she used white-out. What to do with this? Does she have to show written proof? She does not have documentation.

Lori

Lori

Yes, she will need to submit evidence and documents to "prove" her allegations of "misconduct."

She wants to provide a handwritten notebook paper type of document as her proof. And there are dates on it that have zero back up!

Lori

Lori

It will need to be submitted under the rules of evidence and be tested for authenticity and hearsay, for example.

By the state? Prior to the hearing.

Lori

Lori

During the appeal proceedings.

Okay, so is there a certain phrase to question that?

Lori

Lori

During the proceedings -- you can question the relevance, authenticity and legal validity of the evidence offered by the employer.

Okay! And should I ask why she is bringing the past 8 years into this? And if I was such a bad employee, why only after I received my bachelor's degree and in graduate school, which she only has HS, and I am applying for her position, that she is "stepping down from," that there are termination issues?

Lori

Lori

Yes, of course. How can the past eight years of "reasons" be relevant if no action or discipline was taken against you in all that time? Makes no sense.

How to phrase that?

Lori

Lori

You might say something like, "If these issues from the past eight years were significant, why were they not addressed at the time? And why are they only being brought up now, after I have advanced my education and applied for a higher position?" This can help highlight the timing and potential motives behind the employer's actions.

That is great! Anything else you can think of for me to ask?

Lori

Lori

You might also consider asking about the consistency of the employer's disciplinary actions. For example, "Can you explain why these issues were not documented or addressed consistently over the years?" This can help question the credibility of their claims.

Thank you.

Lori

Lori

You are welcome. Thank you for allowing me to assist you today. Have a nice day!

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